@nicerebound i understand what you mean brother i been doing ninjutsu and when i statrted i was worried. but this is basic stuff. like karate kata. advance ninjutsu invovles all kinds of punches and the denfence is very different then shown here. we prcatise fighting agaist boxing, muay thai, street, and kung fu punches. , here is a little sample of what real ninjutsu really look like. /watch?v=wzNv1czJvpE&feature=fvsr
that would be great… if anything hatsumi has ever learned or taught, was ninjutsu…
not saying that he isnt a great Martial artist, but that doesnt suddenly change the meaning of the word ninjutsu (which is over 300 years old, and describes the techniques of espionage, camouflage, and survival)
then again… most people dont know that, so i guess i cant fault you for it…
Doing something slow to demonstrate the technique and randori are different things don’t you agree? Have some common sense and think about it. When we train where I am different punches / kicks are thrown and you adapt the technique to it. I bet you also think the goal of a stance is to learn to fight in a fixed posture.
your kinda rambling. i just asked if all the lunge punches worried you since doing them so much might make them second nature. your answer is no, because you are pretending they are other things. so i say to you: HAPPY PRETENDING CEEKAY!!
Not in the slightest! You are expressing an opinion on what you have seen on youtube or you have trained with an inferior teacher! if you give the mma speech about what is best tactics, i say this! When you learnt to drive you did not hit every car because there was a chance he could hit you! You drove defensivly because there was a CHANCE he could hit you!!! As I said you REACT to the punch either inside or outside, you dont know its REACTIONS!! BUT you know techniques from here so go for it!
With every skill you learn, you learn to make it more effective! Ninjutsu is not ‘he throws this punch i shall move here’. The kata which ninja learn is.. ‘get out of the way!! Where am I!?! from this situation I know this!!! this is were kata is effective,From kata A you learn this technique which sends your opponent into kata C, which in turn make kata .F. on its own its hard, but together you have been there before!!! like every day life you do it enough it’s second nature!!
However, concepts such at strike from behind is valid against any opponent. In a real dynamic situation the strike does not have to be a kick. it can be a punch, a shove or whatever. Its practicing knowing the opponent’s balance, the force and direction it takes to move them in a position that’s better for you. These, unless you actually practice you won’t understand, even less from a youtube vid. watching something isn’t the same as doing something. 2
you seem to misunderstand what a kata is. a kata is never meant as a representation of what to do in a “real fight” a kata is a chapter in a textbook. you physically learn the content of the text book, then try to apply what you learned through practice.
using the opponent’s balance to control positioning is a very tricky thing. especially since in a “real fight” you have no control over the initial conditions such as your opponent’s body size, training, etc. 1
ha ha ha, a choreographed kick to someones hanging leg is your way of training to take an opponents back? you really think the exercise on display in this video will ever put you behind a real opponent?
this bullshit form has very specific movements that represent nothing that would ever happen. this should be an indication that its bullshit, not that the movements have some hidden application
koku is a valuable kata about distance and positioning. instead of training to move around the enemy, which we do as well, this one trains to move the enemy around for you. the enemy is moved into a space where you have all the advantage aka behind. there is a pressure point called butsumetsu involved in koku (the strike in the back) that further moves the enemy. in a “real fight” you will never use the kata as it is, but moving the enemy around becomes an important skill to use taijitsu.
if you guys all did bag work as a standard practice, like any respectable organization claiming to train hand to hand combat, maybe you wouldn’t be so fat.
or you guys could, buy a fucking bag and hit it, and practice keeping your gaurd up and moving around with balance while still hitting the bag…with power….for long periods of time.
you can learn all kinds of stuff that you don’t learn in bujinkan
most importantly, how to throw some besides a fucking lunge punch
notice… that he stays in hira- no kamae this is important….a variation of the taisabaki can be done using ichimongi no kamae…but it would be more of a sweeping tech..in water element…Hatsumi has the tend. to use more veriations of hira (wind or Fu kamae) in his vids. and in seminars..the beginning level students should practice this type of taisabaki constantly while adapting it to deferent Elemental type of Kamaes…..this was to answer your question Chriss…
Always nice to get a mix of views. My main sparring partner has a differing background from my own and we combine ideas all the time. Works a lot better than just following one way.
Well you Attacked me… ITs fair in my eyes. Stop being a fool of yourself then. Maybe treat people how you would like maybe I will treat you with repait that is what we are thaht dude.(Sorry for the spelling but damn)
@nicerebound also this is a sneaky basic ninjutsu punch that goes to the throat not the face
@nicerebound i understand what you mean brother i been doing ninjutsu and when i statrted i was worried. but this is basic stuff. like karate kata. advance ninjutsu invovles all kinds of punches and the denfence is very different then shown here. we prcatise fighting agaist boxing, muay thai, street, and kung fu punches. , here is a little sample of what real ninjutsu really look like. /watch?v=wzNv1czJvpE&feature=fvsr
that would be great… if anything hatsumi has ever learned or taught, was ninjutsu…
not saying that he isnt a great Martial artist, but that doesnt suddenly change the meaning of the word ninjutsu (which is over 300 years old, and describes the techniques of espionage, camouflage, and survival)
then again… most people dont know that, so i guess i cant fault you for it…
aladonocturno knows the truth tho…p
hatsumi doesnt real teach ninjutsu
Doing something slow to demonstrate the technique and randori are different things don’t you agree? Have some common sense and think about it. When we train where I am different punches / kicks are thrown and you adapt the technique to it. I bet you also think the goal of a stance is to learn to fight in a fixed posture.
your kinda rambling. i just asked if all the lunge punches worried you since doing them so much might make them second nature. your answer is no, because you are pretending they are other things. so i say to you: HAPPY PRETENDING CEEKAY!!
Not in the slightest! You are expressing an opinion on what you have seen on youtube or you have trained with an inferior teacher! if you give the mma speech about what is best tactics, i say this! When you learnt to drive you did not hit every car because there was a chance he could hit you! You drove defensivly because there was a CHANCE he could hit you!!! As I said you REACT to the punch either inside or outside, you dont know its REACTIONS!! BUT you know techniques from here so go for it!
if doing something enough makes it second nature, aren’t you worried about training in an art that throws so many hanging lunge punches?
With every skill you learn, you learn to make it more effective! Ninjutsu is not ‘he throws this punch i shall move here’. The kata which ninja learn is.. ‘get out of the way!! Where am I!?! from this situation I know this!!! this is were kata is effective,From kata A you learn this technique which sends your opponent into kata C, which in turn make kata .F. on its own its hard, but together you have been there before!!! like every day life you do it enough it’s second nature!!
However, concepts such at strike from behind is valid against any opponent. In a real dynamic situation the strike does not have to be a kick. it can be a punch, a shove or whatever. Its practicing knowing the opponent’s balance, the force and direction it takes to move them in a position that’s better for you. These, unless you actually practice you won’t understand, even less from a youtube vid. watching something isn’t the same as doing something. 2
you seem to misunderstand what a kata is. a kata is never meant as a representation of what to do in a “real fight” a kata is a chapter in a textbook. you physically learn the content of the text book, then try to apply what you learned through practice.
using the opponent’s balance to control positioning is a very tricky thing. especially since in a “real fight” you have no control over the initial conditions such as your opponent’s body size, training, etc. 1
ha ha ha, a choreographed kick to someones hanging leg is your way of training to take an opponents back? you really think the exercise on display in this video will ever put you behind a real opponent?
this bullshit form has very specific movements that represent nothing that would ever happen. this should be an indication that its bullshit, not that the movements have some hidden application
koku is a valuable kata about distance and positioning. instead of training to move around the enemy, which we do as well, this one trains to move the enemy around for you. the enemy is moved into a space where you have all the advantage aka behind. there is a pressure point called butsumetsu involved in koku (the strike in the back) that further moves the enemy. in a “real fight” you will never use the kata as it is, but moving the enemy around becomes an important skill to use taijitsu.
Our Dojo do… and no one are fat.
you are to funny… lol
*ichimonji , not ichimongi
if you guys all did bag work as a standard practice, like any respectable organization claiming to train hand to hand combat, maybe you wouldn’t be so fat.
or you guys could, buy a fucking bag and hit it, and practice keeping your gaurd up and moving around with balance while still hitting the bag…with power….for long periods of time.
you can learn all kinds of stuff that you don’t learn in bujinkan
most importantly, how to throw some besides a fucking lunge punch
shut up pussies
notice… that he stays in hira- no kamae this is important….a variation of the taisabaki can be done using ichimongi no kamae…but it would be more of a sweeping tech..in water element…Hatsumi has the tend. to use more veriations of hira (wind or Fu kamae) in his vids. and in seminars..the beginning level students should practice this type of taisabaki constantly while adapting it to deferent Elemental type of Kamaes…..this was to answer your question Chriss…
why would “real” ninja show the correct technigue on film? Kind of defeats the whole point. Hatsumi is showing a concept, not how to fight.
Yea… its ture… I forgot to say that am learning Krav maga form a Pimping book.
Always nice to get a mix of views. My main sparring partner has a differing background from my own and we combine ideas all the time. Works a lot better than just following one way.
Just a huge mix really TKD, Krav maga, Ninsuis(White belt DVDs for now until I can get my shoulder good to really get into it)
Fair enough. What do you train in?
Well you Attacked me… ITs fair in my eyes. Stop being a fool of yourself then. Maybe treat people how you would like maybe I will treat you with repait that is what we are thaht dude.(Sorry for the spelling but damn)
Typical. Can’t defend the system, so attack the person.